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Posted: **Tue Apr 30, 2019 9:49 am**

Hi,

Just toying with Qmenu V4 and V7 on genuine black `QL'. There is `Outln_rext' extension. In standard boot file supplied in the package, windows are redifined,

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140 OUTLN#0,512,256,0,0
150 WINDOW#0,512,52,0,204:BORDER#0,1,4:PAPER#0,0:INK#0,7:CLS#0
160 WINDOW 256,204,256,0 :BORDER 1,4  :PAPER 0  :INK 7  :CLS
170 WINDOW#2,256,204,0,0 :BORDER#2,1,4:PAPER#2,0:INK#2,7:CLS#2

I can see some parameters 512,256, on which outln#0 gives bad parameter error.
Cannot figure out, what is the intended use of OUTLN command?

Many thanks
Tomas

Posted: **Tue Apr 30, 2019 10:24 am**

Tomas,

The S-Basic reference Manual has a pretty extensive and detailed explanation of the OUTLN command - I don't think I can do any better.

What needs to be mentioned is the difference between a primary (#0 in most cases) and a secondary window, because OUTLN sets different limits on them

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OUTLN #0, SCR_XLIM, SCR_YLIM, 0, 0

should always work IMHO, while doing the same thing with a secondary can come back with an error when you ask for a secondary to be bigger than the primary's outline. Maybe your version of OUTLN (there seem to be quite some) asks for a default shadow width that you must subtract from the outline.

Tobias

BTW:

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OUTLN #0,SCR_XLIM,SCR_YLIM,0,0
OUTLN #0,SCR_XLIM-5,SCR_YLIM-5,0,0,5

does very funny things to my QPC screen when I test that - something must be wrong here

Posted: **Tue Apr 30, 2019 11:52 am**

Hi Tobias,

Yes, needed to do some width, height recalc, to take border shadow into account.
My windows get redefined on booting from SER2 to adjust for non QL tely.

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2 WINDOW #0,467,51,35,205
3 BORDER #0 : PAPER #0,0 : INK #0,4 : CLS #0
4 WINDOW #2,225,202,32,0
5 BORDER #2,1,255 : PAPER #2,7 : INK #2,2 : CLS #2
6 WINDOW 242,202,257,0
7 BORDER 1,255 : PAPER 2 : INK 7 : CLS
8 PROG_USE mdv1_
9 DATA_USE mdv2_

Then I boot further with this for QMenu, and hopefully does resolve that bad parameter.

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10 BAUD 9600
20 LRESPR ser2: REMark menu_rext
30 LRESPR ser2: REMark outln_rext
40 OUTLN#0,469,256,32,0:WINDOW #0,467,51,32,205
50 BORDER#0,1,4:PAPER#0,0:INK#0,7:CLS#0
60 BORDER 1,4  :PAPER 0  :INK 7  :CLS
70 BORDER#2,1,4:PAPER#2,0:INK#2,7:CLS#2

Reading Dilwyn's article on QMenu to get me started, not having orginal manual, anyhere to be got?

Also I wonder what is the difference between V4 and V7, they differ by some 4K in size, but the former gets started with an earlier PTR_GEN I usually run on my genuine QL.

Many thanks.
Tomas

Posted: **Tue Apr 30, 2019 1:39 pm**

You can get the latest QMENU manual from Marcel's fine web site at https://www.kilgus.net/smsqe/qmenu/

Cheers,
Norm.

Posted: **Sat May 04, 2019 9:52 am**

Hi,

Seeing picture on p.96 of J.Jones's book, made me tidy up the menu definition.

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2 WINDOW #0,464,50,34,206
3 BORDER #0 : PAPER #0,0 : INK #0,4
4 WINDOW #2,232,202,32,0
5 BORDER #2,1,255 : PAPER #2,7 : INK #2,2
6 WINDOW 232,202,264,0
7 BORDER 1,255 : PAPER 2 : INK 7
8 PROG_USE mdv1_ : DATA_USE mdv2_
9 MODE 4

And Qmenu boot

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10 BAUD 9600
20 LRESPR ser2: REMark menu_rext
30 LRESPR ser2: REMark outln_rext
40 OUTLN#0,464,256,32,0:WINDOW #0,464,50,32,206
50 BORDER#0,1,4:PAPER#0,0:INK#0,7:CLS#0
60 BORDER 1,4  :PAPER 0  :INK 7  :CLS
70 BORDER#2,1,4:PAPER#2,0:INK#2,7:CLS#2

Which I belive is almost right, if not already.

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