Q68 support thread

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Hi Chr$,

This looks like you have connected the PS/2 mouse to the PS/2 Keyboard connections.

If using a PS/2 Splitter change the mouse and keyboard connections over.

I have some Belkin PS/2 Splitters available if required.


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I also tried them around the other way and nothing worked. I had them correct before (mouse in the k/b socket and vice versa, which was fine).


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Hi,

Please supply me with the details of the mouse. I will do some research.


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It's a Chinese cheapie.

Ultron Electronics (www.ultron.de), UM-100 PS/2 BASIC.


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Chr$ wrote:It's a Chinese cheapie.

Ultron Electronics (http://www.ultron.de), UM-100 PS/2 BASIC.
I looked at the data sheet for the PS/2 Mouse, which says it has a USB connector on the English
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Not dure if this is an error in the datasheet translation from German to English.

But there is the possi ility the mouse is USB connected to a PS/2 Connector, this may work on some PCs, not the Q68.

Have you tried other PS/2 mouses?


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Derek_Stewart wrote: I looked at the data sheet for the PS/2 Mouse, which says it has a USB connector on the English
I think that's a typo as they also do a USB version. But who knows. I know the type if mouse is important, i.e. it must be a proper PS/2, but I'm sure this one worked the other day. I have a couple of others but all with balls.


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Hi,

I tested alot of PS/2 keyboards and mouses, with the Q68, I used the Belkin PS/2 splitter and a no-title splitter, all worked.

The mouse in questuin maybe not totally PS/2 compatiable.

I could buy to test out with differing configurations.


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Chr$ wrote:I'm wondering if I'm going completely mad and that it never worked.... but I'm sure I started QLE and it was working at the weekend.
I could imagine a race condition between the microcontroller inside the mouse and the Q68 bootloader. In contrast to PCs, the Q68 boots extremely fast, so the mouse needs to be ready earlier.
I remember to have experimented with various initialization timings when I developed the mouse interface and it was a bit tricky. The vast majority of devices just worked, so at some point I did not invest more time.

You could try if you see a difference between the Q68 being off power for >10 minutes and being just switched off an on again. That tends to affect the reset duration somewhat. So if you see a difference, we then know the issue is timing related. That won't be a solution though, as I won't change the bootloader just for one non-working device.


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Peter wrote:
Chr$ wrote:I'm wondering if I'm going completely mad and that it never worked.... but I'm sure I started QLE and it was working at the weekend.
I could imagine a race condition between the microcontroller inside the mouse and the Q68 bootloader. In contrast to PCs, the Q68 boots extremely fast, so the mouse needs to be ready earlier.
I remember to have experimented with various initialization timings when I developed the mouse interface and it was a bit tricky. The vast majority of devices just worked, so at some point I did not invest more time.

You could try if you see a difference between the Q68 being off power for >10 minutes and being just switched off an on again. That tends to affect the reset duration somewhat. So if you see a difference, we then know the issue is timing related. That won't be a solution though, as I won't change the bootloader just for one non-working device.
I tried it today after the Q68 had been off all night. Same thing. But that's ok, a working ball mouse is much better than none at all.


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Hi Chr$,

Do you use use a PS/2 Splitter with the mouse?


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