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Re: QL Mouse cable connections

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mselkin wrote:I found this one, from China, I believe it is the same mouse:
https://www.ebay.ca/itm/322588661391?ha ... Swf1FfA0bV
oh dear, £30 plus shipping for a mouse.


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Re: QL Mouse cable connections

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Thanks Derek, I did check out those links but no matter how I wire up the cable it doesn't work, the last setup I used was:

bt 9pin

1 5
2 2
3 3
4 7
5 8
6 4

and I have tried crossing over 2 and 3 and also not connecting 6 on the BT connector but nothing works. I have also tried 2 Dexxa mice and one CompuPartner black mouse.
I guess I might have to try using a serial breakout box so I can easily test different connections and maybe try a few other mice.


Derek_Stewart wrote:Hi,

You could try looking in the Hardware section of the Forum, but try these threads:

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=3197&hilit=mouse#p32621
https://www.qlforum.co.uk/viewtopic.php ... use#p42880


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I think you might be right, I have tried 3 different mice.


"Chr$"]Not all serial mice work either, even if the wiring is right. You may have to try a few.[/quote]


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I'm starting to realise how challenging this is. The mice I am using are all serial PC mice from the early 1990's so nothing modern and I have tried them using my ICE cartridge and using my Tetroid adapter with SMSQ/E software on CF card with the pointer drivers installed. I'll just have to soldier on, it took me quite a while to get my Wifi modem working but after a lot of hair pulling I did it.






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Chr$ wrote:Not all serial mice work either, even if the wiring is right. You may have to try a few.
With some serial mice you have to hold down a button to enter the two button or three button mode. Some versions of the sermouse software have to be configured appropriately. Some have reported not being able to get some mice to work with some versions of the software. And not all serial mice are equal - some are more modern mice in disguise, especially ones which come with adaptor plugs. Serial mice are troublesome, search for the topic on the forum, you'll see the subject comes up very often. In other words, unless you strike lucky and find someone describing the exact solution for your particular equipment, it can be a long drawn out affair trying to get some of these mice to work, I'm afraid.


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Re: QL Mouse cable connections

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Thanks, what pin connections did you use on your cable and which port did you use. I would like to use Ser 1 as I use my wifi modem on Ser 2.





mselkin wrote:Hi,

I can offer some advice, having recently struggled with the same issue.
Most mice did not work and as a beginner I found it quite confusing but I after trial and error and I can confirm that there is a black serial mouse on eBay that does work and also the original genius mouse does work (but only the one that has a switch in front to change it's serial protocol).

I have attached pictures.


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mancity1961 wrote:I'm starting to realise how challenging this is. The mice I am using are all serial PC mice from the early 1990's so nothing modern and I have tried them using my ICE cartridge and using my Tetroid adapter with SMSQ/E software on CF card with the pointer drivers installed. I'll just have to soldier on, it took me quite a while to get my Wifi modem working but after a lot of hair pulling I did it.
Serial mice cannot be used with the ICE package as far as I know and you most definitley need the SerMouse software running on the PE, otherwise it doesn't matter what pinning you use ;)


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There is a serial mouse driver that that you can use from BASIC. http://www.dilwyn.me.uk/tk/diytk2.zip It's in volume I.

I don't think it works with the pointer environment, but from BASIC you should be able to see if the mouse is wired up correctly, and the serial port is working.


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Perhaps just start with COPY SER1 TO SCR to see if you get anything at all.
Derek_Stewart wrote:
mselkin wrote:I found this one, from China, I believe it is the same mouse:
https://www.ebay.ca/itm/322588661391?ha ... Swf1FfA0bV
oh dear, £30 plus shipping for a mouse.
Yes I wiinced. I just ordered some CH559 dev boards from China, could use chip for simple USB to SER mouse adaptor (programmed specifically to deal with QL serial)

There is a impetus for USB, the Q40 uses a serial mouse. I've been using this one which only cost me £3 new from local computer shop in 1999:
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Maybe a QL specific mouse could be made, with existng body and customised internal circuit board.

Woukd this be of interest?


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Silvester wrote: I've been using this one which only cost me £3 new from local computer shop in 1999:
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Hi Silvester, is this a Sermouse compatible mouse? May I add it to the specific "Sermouse compatible mice list"?


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