QL/E tiny free space on QXL.WIN, Urs?

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QL/E tiny free space on QXL.WIN, Urs?

Postby Chr$ » Mon Jan 27, 2020 7:22 pm

I thought I was doing something wrong the other day when I tried to 'inject' some files into my QXL.WIN file and it said there wasn't enough space.

So I got a fresh copy of QLE.WIN from Urs's zip file:

http://www.sinclairql.net/repository.html#QLE

I renamed it QXL.WIN and put it where it should be, so a fresh install with nothing added.

On the QXL side I ESC'd out of the boot process and did a dir win1_. The fresh install version also has very little space - 1556 sectors, as you can see.

An 80mb container and only about 770k free? Is there some kind of bug perhaps with the way it calculates free space? If Urs sees this or anyone else has an idea to free up space, gratefully received.

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Re: QL/E tiny free space on QXL.WIN, Urs?

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Re: QL/E tiny free space on QXL.WIN, Urs?

Postby Chr$ » Mon Jan 27, 2020 7:36 pm

Thanks, yes I saw that and was considering giving it a go, but surely the full 80mb isn't really taken up?


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Re: QL/E tiny free space on QXL.WIN, Urs?

Postby Derek_Stewart » Mon Jan 27, 2020 11:19 pm

Hi,

The probable reason for the small size of QL/E is the download size, also a large QWA file might fit onto the "The Distribution" DVD image.

Bllack Phoenix has the same problem, with a small distribution QWA file. But tge Black Phoenix designer very cleverly added thevability to have a user defined Desktop QWA file defined on WIN2_ This sort gets around the small QWA distro file.

The QL/E QWA file can be copied with subdirectories to a larger QWA file, there are utilites to do this. Or use QLWARZ to extend the QL/E QWA file. But QLWARZ appears to only work with QPC2.

Could QLWARZ run under any other SMSQ/E system, like: SMSQmulator, Q68, QXL, Atari QL emulator, due to they use the same level of operating system.


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Re: QL/E tiny free space on QXL.WIN, Urs?

Postby pjw » Tue Jan 28, 2020 12:06 am

Derek_Stewart wrote:Could QLWARZ run under any other SMSQ/E system, like: SMSQmulator, Q68, QXL, Atari QL emulator, due to they use the same level of operating system.

I guess, with a little elbow grease, it could be made to work on any system that uses .WIN container files.. The simplest in most cases, perhaps, would just be to use QPC2 for this. Its free and easily available to anyone who can read this message.


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Re: QL/E tiny free space on QXL.WIN, Urs?

Postby pjw » Tue Jan 28, 2020 12:20 am

Chr$ wrote:An 80mb container and only about 770k free? Is there some kind of bug perhaps with the way it calculates free space?

I dont see why not. Its a disk stuffed with goodies for you to test. Most people dont need five different text editors or a ton of games they never play. Try them out, choose the ones you like best and delete the rest. Traditionally QL users have had two storage devices, mdv1_ and mdv2_. mdv1_ was for programs and mdv2_ for data. Just create a fresh, blank disk for your data if you need more room.


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Re: QL/E tiny free space on QXL.WIN, Urs?

Postby Chr$ » Tue Jan 28, 2020 7:12 pm

Thanks for your help. I suppose the QLE QXL.WIN container really does just have enough space for the stuff it comes with, which is fair enough.

I used QLWARZ to make it larger (excellent) and also setup a win2_ on my PC drive D:. So I now have almost endless space that I'll probably never fill!


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