QL/E running on QXL2 ISA PC card

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Re: QL/E running on QXL2 ISA PC card

Postby Chr$ » Sun Jan 19, 2020 7:17 pm

dex wrote:Why not simply use the SMSQ/E as it comes pre-confugured., i.e. mouse in COM2 and printer in COM1 (SER1_)?.


Mainly because my COM2 is female and so it my mouse!

Time for a sex change then. Adapter done for that..... mouse doesn't work in COM2. It's been ages since I even did anything like this. Er, this is my BIOS screen for the ports.

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Sorry, I know this is more of a PC thing than QL/QXL!

Then I'll make an adapter for QL Printer to PC COM1. I have enough D9 connectors laying around.


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Re: QL/E running on QXL2 ISA PC card

Postby Chr$ » Thu Jan 23, 2020 9:45 pm

When I try to execute certain files that were created in the BBQL era on my QXLII I sometimes get errors like this (in the red box):

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Am I missing something? Is there a hack to make the QXLII more BBQL compatible? Before attempting this particular one I booted from a very basic boot file without most extras etc.


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Re: QL/E running on QXL2 ISA PC card

Postby tofro » Thu Jan 23, 2020 10:04 pm

This specific error message doesn't look like a QXL incompatibility to me - There's simply a toolkit not loaded that should provide the XCH extension (whatever that might be).

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Re: QL/E running on QXL2 ISA PC card

Postby Chr$ » Thu Jan 23, 2020 10:58 pm

Right ok. There was something that the boot file failed to load so I rem'd it out. I'll find out what that was when I turn it on again.


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Re: QL/E running on QXL2 ISA PC card

Postby Chr$ » Thu Jan 23, 2020 11:31 pm

Ok, looked into it. It tries to LRESPR easyext_res and fails with 'not implemented'.

Then it tries to LRESPR menu_rext but fails saying 'Window Manager zu alt".

So I suppose I should try a newer version of that.

Then it obviously fails on the command EASY_EXT because it hasn't been implemented.


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Re: QL/E running on QXL2 ISA PC card

Postby tofro » Thu Jan 23, 2020 11:33 pm

Chr$ wrote:Ok, looked into it. It tries to LRESPR easyext_res and fails with 'not implemented'.

Then it tries to LRESPR menu_rext but fails saying 'Window Manager zu alt".

So I suppose I should try a newer version of that.

Then it obviously fails on the command EASY_EXT because it hasn't been implemented.


Easyext says that when it detects PE isn't loaded at all - Maybe you have stripped your boot file too much.

You need to have

  1. PtrEnv
  2. WindowMgr and
  3. HotRes

plus easyext_res

loaded.

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Re: QL/E running on QXL2 ISA PC card

Postby Chr$ » Fri Jan 24, 2020 8:33 am

Yes, the basic boot (in fact, on the same disk as the program I'm trying to load) does:

ptr_gen
wman
QPTR
hot_rext

(it trips up on hot_rext saying that it's already loaded. That is I believe built into SMSQ/E, so I REM'd it out).

Even when I run just the old SMSQ it fails to LRESPR easyext_res saying 'unbekannte prozedur'.

I suppose all I can do is try different versions of those.


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Re: QL/E running on QXL2 ISA PC card

Postby Derek_Stewart » Fri Jan 24, 2020 9:10 am

Hi,

Basically, if you are not using using SMSQ/E, which includies the QXL SMSQ, Minerva, QDOS Roms, the following is required to be installed:

PTR_GEN
WMAN
HOT_REXT

Note: they must be installed in this order.

SMSQ/E includes all of the above, then Extended Environment 2 applications can be loaded in, these include:

QPAC2
Easypointer
TurobPointer
Menu_rext

or anything that uses the QPTR system.

Dilwyn, gas written some excellent articles on this subject, also look at the QPTR sample boot files this gives some clues.

The QPTR documentation is not very clear and is confusing, but it does detail the require Extended Environment 2 installation process.


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Re: QL/E running on QXL2 ISA PC card

Postby tofro » Fri Jan 24, 2020 9:19 am

What's the version of SMSQ/E you're using on the QXL? It might well be it's time to upgrade if Easyptr chokes.

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Re: QL/E running on QXL2 ISA PC card

Postby Chr$ » Fri Jan 24, 2020 9:33 am

tofro wrote:What's the version of SMSQ/E you're using on the QXL? It might well be it's time to upgrade if Easyptr chokes.

Tobias

Pretty sure it's the latest... the one that came with Urs QL/E called SMSQEQXL.EXE

I've replaced:

ptr_gen
wman
QPTR
hot_rext

...with newer versions. I get the same error at the LRESPR of easyext_res (saying not implemented).

It does however no longer fail with 'Wman zu alt' when I force it to carry on so at least that's something.

I'll have a play with other versions of easyext_res.


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Original BBQL's: 2x German, 1x UK model (plus quite a bit of other old stuff)
Custom AT cased QL system with Gold Card, Qimi mouse, Hermes and MFM HDD
PC with QXLII card installed
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