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Re: QL Eprom programmer
Posted: Sun Mar 04, 2018 4:55 pm
by Dave
Derek_Stewart wrote:Maybe it is better to foget about QEP as there is no schematics, PCB files, parts lists, software amybe still copyright, no software source code.
I have a schematic. It was made by one of the better known people who frequents here. However, the schematic is not very useful. It's split across several pages and there are many missing/hanging nets. Also, the power arrangement on it to create programming power is insane.
I got a semi-functional board.
It seems not just designing and building the board is necessary, but also very careful set-up and calibration. Those details are lost.
It might be that a different project might be better for you and the community?
Re: QL Eprom programmer
Posted: Sun Mar 04, 2018 5:25 pm
by Pr0f
the service manual and the user manual together have an awful lot of good info on the QEPIII - I found them on Dilwyn's site.
There is a full circuit diagram - all be it on several pages of the pdf. For proper programming and verifying - you need to be able to supply two programmable voltages - vcc variable from 4V to 6V, and programming voltage - ranging from 12V to 27V, the VCC variation is just for under and over voltage and some devices required VCC to 6V for programming.
Re: QL Eprom programmer
Posted: Sun Mar 04, 2018 5:56 pm
by Dave
That's what I used. It was.... problematic.
Re: QL Eprom programmer
Posted: Mon Mar 05, 2018 9:24 am
by Derek_Stewart
Hi,
I have also downloaded the QEP Service manual by Ian Burkinshaw, which I liked his documentation on the Serial I/O Cotroller, which I have partially done a schematic. with view to producing a PCB for myself.
Maybe I could so the schematic for QEP based on Ian's circuit diagram.
What is the best CAD pacakge: Eagle or KiCad or Geda ?
Re: QL Eprom programmer
Posted: Mon Mar 05, 2018 3:49 pm
by janbredenbeek
I have uploaded the schematics, binary and source of my QL EPROMmer to GitHub, it's at
https://github.com/SinclairQL/EPROMmer.
Have fun,
Jan.
Re: QL Eprom programmer
Posted: Tue Mar 27, 2018 9:55 am
by Derek_Stewart
Hi,
I have got a QEPIII Eprom Programmer from Ebay, I have not tried it yet, but here are some photographs.
- QEPIII Front Box
- QEPIII Front Box
- QEPIII Boxed
- QEPIII Top
- QEPIII Back
I will dig out a QL and post pictures of the programming of eproms.
Maybe we should have a message thread like on the Stardot.org Acorn Forum for people to post messages of new QL hardware they have aquired.
Re: QL Eprom programmer
Posted: Tue Mar 27, 2018 11:30 am
by NormanDunbar
Hi Derek,
Derek_Stewart wrote:What is the best CAD pacakge: Eagle or KiCad or Geda ?
Eagle is limited in size and layers unless you pay. I think they alienated a lot of users recentlybwhen they changed all the rules. I never got to grips with Eagle.
Geda I've never used.
Kicad I quite like, but it has its foibles. CERN use it and help develop it, so if it's good enough for CERN, I can probably get used to it.
For relatively simply stuff, I sometimes use Fritzing. I did a double sided board for an Arduino clone a while back. I still need to get it fabricated though.
Cheers,
Norm.
Re: QL Eprom programmer
Posted: Tue Mar 27, 2018 11:53 am
by Derek_Stewart
Hi,
I personally liked Eagle, but it has got all commerical. But saying that I have the professional version tunning on Linux and Wine.
I have dabbled with Altium Designer, but is a little too money for me.
KiCad and gEDA looks a developing platform and is open source.
I will update the QL Wiki with the QEPIII pictures.
Re: QL Eprom programmer
Posted: Tue Mar 27, 2018 12:12 pm
by Peter
Interesting shape of lines on the Eprommer PCB. I wonder whether they were made by flexible adhesive tape or even painted...
Since I know "PADS" from the past as a good PCB CAD package, "PADS Maker" also looks interesting. There is a restriction of 1500 connections and 6 layers, and the license must be renewed every year, but that looks acceptable for my hobby projects. Haven't tried yet.
Re: QL Eprom programmer
Posted: Tue Mar 27, 2018 12:16 pm
by Pr0f
I had a QEPIII, it was a good programmer, if a little limited on the eproms it could program by today's standards.
It did seem to offer the potential for expansion though, as the algorithms and circuit were published, but I could not see how you would make use of that in the current gui interface.
If you were to make more of these or even expand it's capabilities, then using a wide laned zif socket and a programmable supply might allow other devices to be programmed to - such as GAL