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m68k.info talk with me

Postby mk79 » Mon Mar 22, 2021 9:28 am

After Urs presented his hardware treasures the organizers from m68k.info invited me to hold a short talk and Q/A about the QL operating systems and stuff. It will already be this Friday evening if anybody is interested:

http://m68k.info/

A bit short notice but it gives me an excuse to not be perfectly prepared :-P


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Postby NormanDunbar » Mon Mar 22, 2021 11:06 am

B*gg*r! I''l miss that! :(

Hopefully, it's being recorded for later viewing/listening online? Are you aware? I'm extremely interested.


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Postby martyn_hill » Mon Mar 22, 2021 9:10 pm

Hi Marcel - thanks for sharing - I'm very interested in joining the event.

Having not used the senfcal conference tool before, do you have any tips or links to (English) instructions?


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Postby mk79 » Tue Mar 23, 2021 10:52 pm

I'm not sure if it is recorded, perhaps hopefully not ;) Anyway, probably not much new to learn for existing QLers as it's aimed at people who don't know our system at all.

I haven't used Senfcall myself either, except in an experiment where I called myself using two browsers ;) In my experience Chromium based browsers (Chrome, Opera, Edge) work best with these web-type conference systems.

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Postby cstrotm » Wed Mar 24, 2021 7:46 pm

mk79 wrote:I'm not sure if it is recorded, perhaps hopefully not ;) Anyway, probably not much new to learn for existing QLers as it's aimed at people who don't know our system at all.

I haven't used Senfcall myself either, except in an experiment where I called myself using two browsers ;) In my experience Chromium based browsers (Chrome, Opera, Edge) work best with these web-type conference systems.

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Hi,

Senfcall works well with Firefox and also Chrome based browsers. Unlike other web based conference systems, this works a little better with Firefox :)

Under the hood, it is a BigBlueButton (BBB) open source software conferencing system.

There is an english version of senfcall at https://senfcall.de/en/

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Re: m68k.info talk with me

Postby Tinyfpga » Thu Mar 25, 2021 8:08 pm

The notice of mk79 's forthcoming talk prompted me to search through a box of papers that have lain in my loft for nearly thirty years. I remembered that I had filed a number of documents written by Tony Tebby detailing a few of his thoughts on programming systems.

It seems clear to me that Tony considered his operating system design(s) as significantly superior to the status quo. I don't think he thought that SMS2 and thus SMSQ/E were "retro" or "hobby" operating systems, even though they are used as such. I find SMSQ/E configured as originally intended and displayed at HD resolutions very impressive.

Although SMS2 and SMSQ/E-in-Q68 cannot display at very high resolutions they are both capable of running the same software and impress me just as much.

Anyway I feel that this this would be a pertinent time to post "Two Thoughts of Chairman Tebby" that the members of this QL forum might not have had a chance to read in the past.

Be positive.pdf
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C2.pdf
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Postby NormanDunbar » Thu Mar 25, 2021 8:29 pm

Thanks for those documents.

They are very Tony Tebby -- pretty much everything I've ever read of his has been a "rant" aboutsomething he disagrees with.

I would only say, as an average C programmer, that readable and understandable code can be written in C, and just as efficient at run time too. This is how I try to write my C code on the grounds that it will most likely be me that has to fix it!

I love the "Be positive" title of the other article. Considering the negativity in both! However, regarding programs needing to be data driven, I had two thoughts:

1. He's correct!

2. I was taught this very thing in college back in the early 1980s, it was called Jackson Structured Programming (JSP) back then.

So there's nothing new under the sun -- unless Tony's article was written before Mike Jackson (I think) did his treatise on the matter.

Interesting reads though.


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Postby Tinyfpga » Thu Mar 25, 2021 8:56 pm

I have never heard of Michael A. Jackson, but I am not a programmer so I suppose I might have an excuse. I have just look up the JSP entry in Wikipedia and will try to obtain a copy of his 1975 book, a book that I will probable not understand. Some of the TT's documents are dated 6th October 1992.

Thank you norm, for the info. i am going to try and record Herr Kilgus's talk and if I succeed and with Marcel's permission, I will post the recording here.


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Postby NormanDunbar » Thu Mar 25, 2021 10:32 pm

The JSP book was required reading for my college course. I kept it for years, but sadly, no longer have it.

This is the book https://www.amazon.co.uk/Structured-Pro ... 748703608/ with the brown cover.

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Re: m68k.info talk with me

Postby ppe » Fri Mar 26, 2021 9:53 am

Tinyfpga wrote:The notice of mk79 's forthcoming talk prompted me to search through a box of papers that have lain in my loft for nearly thirty years. I remembered that I had filed a number of documents written by Tony Tebby detailing a few of his thoughts on programming systems.


Thank you *very* much for sharing these, they are very interesting to read and, and surprisingly relevant now, 30 years later! There are many comments which prompted a chuckle.

What is the context of these documents, where were they published? At the end he requests feedback - from whom?



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