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Quill Explodes with ptr_gen loaded?
Posted: Tue Mar 19, 2024 6:41 pm
by t0nyt
I've discovered that if I have ptr_gen loaded (so I can use history_cde) that once the Quill screen loads up fully it all gets trashed and the QL hangs up with a beep
Is there a known reason for this please? Anyone else seen this happen please?
Many thanks
Re: Quill Explodes with ptr_gen loaded?
Posted: Tue Mar 19, 2024 7:04 pm
by dex
XChange is more ptr_gen friendly than old Quill.
Re: Quill Explodes with ptr_gen loaded?
Posted: Tue Mar 19, 2024 7:10 pm
by t0nyt
dex wrote: ↑Tue Mar 19, 2024 7:04 pm
XChange is more ptr_gen friendly than old Quill.
Thanks, will give it a go and see what happens
Many thanks
Re: Quill Explodes with ptr_gen loaded?
Posted: Wed Mar 20, 2024 8:01 am
by t0nyt
Can’t say I’m keen on xchange having tried it (seems slower too, though that may or may not be true)
Have decided to just create a selective boot menu so I can skip loading ptr_gen/history
Many thanks
Re: Quill Explodes with ptr_gen loaded?
Posted: Wed Mar 20, 2024 8:51 am
by tofro
Did you try loading quill with the "P" attribute from Hotkey? That should actually work properly:
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220 ERT HOT_CHP ('q', 'flp1_quill', 'p', 32)
230 HOT_GO
330 ERT HOT_PICK ('1', 'Quill')
This should load quill resident and pressing <ALT>1 should then pull quill into the foreground without any problems.
Another way would be to execute Quill as "protected" using EXEP
This should run quill "protected" in a maximum of 64kBytes of memory and it should run fine.
Background of this is actually:
It's not the Pointer Environment that creates problems, it's rather Quill which doesn't behave: It grabs all available memory and all resources. Running it in a "protected" environment (actually, what needs to be protected is QDOS, not Quill
) makes it behave.
Re: Quill Explodes with ptr_gen loaded?
Posted: Wed Mar 20, 2024 10:48 am
by t0nyt
Many thanks tofro
Will give it a go
Am currently trying to get SUB & FLP_USE to work so I can run Quill etc from Qimsi folders but emulator doesnt seem to like it so will try on real QL later
Re: Quill Explodes with ptr_gen loaded?
Posted: Wed Mar 20, 2024 1:24 pm
by t0nyt
Have discovered my problem with SUB is that it only works for 1 level of folders
so SUB 1,WIN2_QUILL_ works as expected
but SUB 1,WIN2_PSION_QUILL_ doesn't work
Is there any equivalent to SUB that can do at least 2 levels please?
(I don't have DEV_USE available so don't know if that would work)
If not I'll restructure my folder layout (was just trying to keep the root very tidy)
Many thanks
Re: Quill Explodes with ptr_gen loaded?
Posted: Wed Mar 20, 2024 2:28 pm
by ones' complement
Have you possibly exceeded the 41 character limit for filenames (which include device & directories names) ?
Re: Quill Explodes with ptr_gen loaded?
Posted: Wed Mar 20, 2024 2:34 pm
by t0nyt
ones' complement wrote: ↑Wed Mar 20, 2024 2:28 pm
Have you possibly exceeded the 41 character limit for filenames (which include device & directories names) ?
No, it’s only 18 characters or so for win2_psion_quill_
When I Dir sub1_ it acts like I entered an invalid device like Dir xyz_ and gives me an empty directory listing with a heading of WIN1
Thanks
Re: Quill Explodes with ptr_gen loaded?
Posted: Wed Mar 20, 2024 3:08 pm
by t0nyt
I was wrong, SUB doesn't work at all on my QL
Will try the DEV toolkit