ULA ZX8301 - TV Picture Capabilities
Re: ULA ZX8301 - TV Picture Capabilities
Hi All,
I am trying to catch up with the posts after holiday. It sounded here that from Issue 5 to Issue 6 transition, HAL was introduced to take care of address decode, originally task of ZX8301, so on Issue 6 boards there is a dangling unused pin on ZX8301. Interestingly just one pin ZX8301 was short of, and missed in the original QL, to drive 16 colours, now free and unused
My QL Issue 6, suffers flair in white colour when in TV mode and connected UHF cable to the Television. My question here is, what is the reason, and how can it be rectified?
I have tried deoxydising pins of PAL chip, also I have got a spare PAL chip from RWAP to experiment with (Thank you Rich).
Could it be that all Issue 6 boards suffer this flair in white, because of introduction of HAL and leaving out one pin in ZX8301?
Can anyone explain?
Many thanks
Tomas
I am trying to catch up with the posts after holiday. It sounded here that from Issue 5 to Issue 6 transition, HAL was introduced to take care of address decode, originally task of ZX8301, so on Issue 6 boards there is a dangling unused pin on ZX8301. Interestingly just one pin ZX8301 was short of, and missed in the original QL, to drive 16 colours, now free and unused
My QL Issue 6, suffers flair in white colour when in TV mode and connected UHF cable to the Television. My question here is, what is the reason, and how can it be rectified?
I have tried deoxydising pins of PAL chip, also I have got a spare PAL chip from RWAP to experiment with (Thank you Rich).
Could it be that all Issue 6 boards suffer this flair in white, because of introduction of HAL and leaving out one pin in ZX8301?
Can anyone explain?
Many thanks
Tomas
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Re: ULA ZX8301 - TV Picture Capabilities
It could be the UHF modulator playing up. Do you get the same problem with the composite video output?
Does it do the same on another TV? It could be a problem with the TV? I remember that on some old televisions, flaring on peak whites was a sign of the CRT getting old.
Does it do the same on another TV? It could be a problem with the TV? I remember that on some old televisions, flaring on peak whites was a sign of the CRT getting old.
Re: ULA ZX8301 - TV Picture Capabilities
Hi Martin,
My TV is quite a modern Thomson make, it gives excellent picture with ZX Speccy and ATARI ST, all in TV mode, no flair in white.
QL Picture over RGB-SCART cable is also perfect.
I can try replacing PAL chip, though.
Should it were the UHF modulator, I wonder what could be wrong with it, as it consists of some resistors, ceramic capacitors, a transistor, and there is one ferit adjustment coil. Could it be retuned, because some elyt capacitors drying out in years, those on 12V, assuming here UHF modulator needs a good and smooth 12V source?
I am not much wiser, seeking help and advice, all greatly apreciated.
Many thanks.
Tom
My TV is quite a modern Thomson make, it gives excellent picture with ZX Speccy and ATARI ST, all in TV mode, no flair in white.
QL Picture over RGB-SCART cable is also perfect.
I can try replacing PAL chip, though.
Should it were the UHF modulator, I wonder what could be wrong with it, as it consists of some resistors, ceramic capacitors, a transistor, and there is one ferit adjustment coil. Could it be retuned, because some elyt capacitors drying out in years, those on 12V, assuming here UHF modulator needs a good and smooth 12V source?
I am not much wiser, seeking help and advice, all greatly apreciated.
Many thanks.
Tom
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Re: ULA ZX8301 - TV Picture Capabilities
If I remember rightly, In the UHF television signal, the bottom of the sync pulses (blacker than black) is the maximum carrier amplitude. And peek white is minimum carrier amplitude. So if you supplied too big a signal (or it thought it was too big a signal) you could effectively stop the carrier which would 'crush' the peek whites.
It could be that one of the components in the modulator has 'aged'. I think if I was trying to repair the modulator, I would first change the transistor, and while it was out check the values of all the resistors.
I suspect that if you adjust the coil, it will change the channel number (usually channel 36)
I'm pretty sure that the UHF modulator in the QL is the same one as in the Spectrum/ZX81. Here is a link https://www.petervis.com/electronics%20 ... lator.html to a circuit of a UHF Modulator. I don't know if it's the Aztec one.
It could be that one of the components in the modulator has 'aged'. I think if I was trying to repair the modulator, I would first change the transistor, and while it was out check the values of all the resistors.
I suspect that if you adjust the coil, it will change the channel number (usually channel 36)
I'm pretty sure that the UHF modulator in the QL is the same one as in the Spectrum/ZX81. Here is a link https://www.petervis.com/electronics%20 ... lator.html to a circuit of a UHF Modulator. I don't know if it's the Aztec one.
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Hi Martin,
Thank you. It seems AZTEC modulator found in both ZX and QL. I have looked up the transistor 2N2222 in a local electronics shop.
With the specs below, hFe gain is not given, I guess what matters here is the frequency capability here.
I may expect pin orientation may not be the exact match with the transistor used inside UHF modulator, here it is EBC, right?
Many thanks
Tomas
Thank you. It seems AZTEC modulator found in both ZX and QL. I have looked up the transistor 2N2222 in a local electronics shop.
With the specs below, hFe gain is not given, I guess what matters here is the frequency capability here.
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NPN 40V/ 0,60A/ 0,62W/ >250MHz (= KSP2222A, PN2222A) TO92 E B C 7a
I may expect pin orientation may not be the exact match with the transistor used inside UHF modulator, here it is EBC, right?
Many thanks
Tomas
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Re: ULA ZX8301 - TV Picture Capabilities
Here's the Hfe details for a 2n2222A that I'm using for Arduino and Raspberry Pi stuff - when I get a chance.
Note 1 says: Pulse test: tp ≤ 300μs , δ ≤ 2%
These are in a metal can, TO-18 package format, and the pinout, looking at the underside, is as follows:
The tab on the TO-18 package is closest to the Emitter.
HTH
Cheers,
Norm.
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Test Condition Min Max
Ic = 0.1mA, Vce = 10V 35
Ic = 1mA, Vce = 10V 50
Ic = 10mA, Vce = 10V 75
Ic = 150mA, Vce = 10V 100 300 (Note 1)
Ic = 150mA, Vce = 1V 50 (Note 1)
Ic = 500mA, Vce = 10V 40 (Note 1)
These are in a metal can, TO-18 package format, and the pinout, looking at the underside, is as follows:
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HTH
Cheers,
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Re: ULA ZX8301 - TV Picture Capabilities
I have also found this http://www.ep128.hu/Sp_Hardware/SP_Modulator.htm on the modulator.
If you really think the modulator is faulty http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/like/40131949 ... 114&crdt=0. Or if you can get hold of an old faulty computer to take one out of.
If you really think the modulator is faulty http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/like/40131949 ... 114&crdt=0. Or if you can get hold of an old faulty computer to take one out of.
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Hi Martin,
Although in Hungarian, the schematics shows AZTEC modulator UM1233, the same model matching QL Issue#6 wiring diagram. It has got three transistors BF199. Any of those can qualify for replacement?
In the QL diagram, there is smoothing elyt 100uF to supply modulator with 5V, not sure if it can have any influence on white flair, but perhaps is also worth inspecting or replacing?
I am also thinking to let temporarily ZX8301 drive address decode, and disabling HAL doing that, defacto downgrading to Issue#5 logic, to see any influence on TV picture quality, not sure what has to be done, bending a pin on HAL and laying a piece of wire from ZX8301? If not too silly an idea?
Many thanks
Tomas
Although in Hungarian, the schematics shows AZTEC modulator UM1233, the same model matching QL Issue#6 wiring diagram. It has got three transistors BF199. Any of those can qualify for replacement?
In the QL diagram, there is smoothing elyt 100uF to supply modulator with 5V, not sure if it can have any influence on white flair, but perhaps is also worth inspecting or replacing?
I am also thinking to let temporarily ZX8301 drive address decode, and disabling HAL doing that, defacto downgrading to Issue#5 logic, to see any influence on TV picture quality, not sure what has to be done, bending a pin on HAL and laying a piece of wire from ZX8301? If not too silly an idea?
Many thanks
Tomas
Re: ULA ZX8301 - TV Picture Capabilities
Before the next post becomes 'help, my QL stopped working!':
8301 PCENL decoding has nothing whatsoever to do with the RGB output. It's not 8301 decoding that is handled by the HAL but 8302, and that chip has nothing to do with the video. There are more subtle and not subtle differences in pre-HAL and HAL boards, how did you discern that it must be the HAL that is the problem? As the old saying goes: correlation does not imply causation.
Try lowering the composite output amplitude before the input of the modulator, or providing better power decoupling - which is a problem for many parts of the QL motherboard.
8301 PCENL decoding has nothing whatsoever to do with the RGB output. It's not 8301 decoding that is handled by the HAL but 8302, and that chip has nothing to do with the video. There are more subtle and not subtle differences in pre-HAL and HAL boards, how did you discern that it must be the HAL that is the problem? As the old saying goes: correlation does not imply causation.
Try lowering the composite output amplitude before the input of the modulator, or providing better power decoupling - which is a problem for many parts of the QL motherboard.
Re: ULA ZX8301 - TV Picture Capabilities
Hi Nasta,
Thank you, I was hoping for and awaiting your comment, too
Now again studying `QL Service Manual' and Issue#6 diagram. It says composite PAL signal is output/divided to UHF Modulator, capturing in the picture, when you say lowering amplitude, you mean changing values of the resistors R85/R86, how? Could it also be some of the modulators' transistors being degraded, worth replacing?
Many thanks so far.
Tomas
Thank you, I was hoping for and awaiting your comment, too
Now again studying `QL Service Manual' and Issue#6 diagram. It says composite PAL signal is output/divided to UHF Modulator, capturing in the picture, when you say lowering amplitude, you mean changing values of the resistors R85/R86, how? Could it also be some of the modulators' transistors being degraded, worth replacing?
Many thanks so far.
Tomas